KRFP-FM Radio: Doug Wilson denied that he called down imprecations upon his enemies

“A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood; A heart that devises wicked imaginations, feet that are swift in running to evil; A false witness that speaks lies, and he that sows discord among brethren.” Proverbs 6:17–19

Background
For the last seventeen years Pastor Douglas Wilson of Christ Church, Moscow, has not enjoyed a particularly good reputation on the Palouse. It started in 1999 with some community hijinks, and by 2006 a series of public scandals had taken their toll on Mr. Wilson’s standing in the community.1 Believers and non-believers distrusted him and few hid their beliefs. But his did not bother Mr. Wilson. He still prosecuted his agenda of taking over Moscow & Pullman,2 much to the consternation of his neighbors.

Keely Emerine-Mix

Keely Emerine-Mix

Keely Emerine-Mix
Keely Emerine-Mix is a Christian; she knows Scripture very well; and she is an outspoken feminist who describes herself as a “rad fem.” Keely did not appreciate the damage Doug Wilson and his scandals had done to the gospel in Moscow, so she challenged him to debate her on the radio, with a moderator and with listeners calling in questions. Mr. Wilson agreed and on July 12, 2006, the two engaged in a lively discussion. Keely Emerine-Mix destroyed Doug Wilson.

Bill London, 1946–2013

Bill London, 1946–2013

Bill London
Bill London was a long-time resident of Moscow; a writer by trade; and a local progressive activist. Bill was one of the first persons in town, if not the first, to identify Doug Wilson as a political animal whose ambition extended beyond the pulpit, and I knew Bill well enough to say that after the slavery scandal of 2003–04, he understood Doug Wilson’s gospel didn’t always include “peace on earth and good will toward man” (Luke 2:14). Bill London called into the radio debate between Keely and Doug Wilson to inquire about imprecatory prayer.

The following audio recording is the six-minute question & answer between Bill London, Keely Emerine-Mix, and Doug Wilson, on the subject of imprecatory prayer, from that radio show. I have included a transcript, for the record.


July 12, 2006, KRFP-FM Radio

 

 

Moderator: Welcome to KFRP.

Bill London: Thank you. I have a question for Doug Wilson, umm, it’s regarding a practice, and I’m not certain I’m pronouncing it correctly — something called “imprecatory prayer.” I’m not very familiar with it, but I understand it’s the practice of asking, umm, asking God to attack your enemies by name, using individual names and saying, “God, I want you to strike this person down,” or whatever. Okay, with that in mind, I was wondering if you ever suggest or require your parishioners to use that tactic — that imprecatory-prayer tactic.

Moderator: Doug?

Douglas Wilson: Umm, yes, umm, he pronounced it correctly, it is imprecatory prayer. The practice is taken from the Book of Psalms, which the New Testament requires us to sing — all Christians are to sing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs; and the psalms that Paul was talking about in Ephesians and Colossians were from the Book of Psalms, and if you read through the Book of Psalms you will, umm, you will see a number of prayers and psalms and songs that King David wrote that were directed — that were appealing to God to deal with his enemies. And so, umm, the answer is “Yes, imprecatory prayer is part of a Christian’s devotional life.” But there’s an important qualification: This is, and this is what we teach and practice. We do teach our people that they should be praying scripturally and that includes an element of imprecation, but when you’re at — when you’re praying an imprecatory prayer, what you’re doing is you’re asking God to destroy your enemies, but one of the ways to destroy your enemies is by transforming them into friends. So, when someone’s hostile to you; when they’re attacking you; when they’re lying about you, and you pray to God, “God, would you please deal with this person, would you take — would you remove my enemy.” The first way that God could remove an enemy and the way that we ask for him to remove the enemy is to transform him into a friend — to bring him, ahh, to the point where we can be reconciled.

Moderator: And, Keely, did you have anything. . . .

Keely: Yeah, I’d like to take my minute to respond — umm, one of the things I mentioned that was upsetting to me about Christ Church is evasion and I think we’ve just seen two examples of it. First of all in Doug’s treatise on fatalism and its relationship to Calvinism, umm, he skips over the fact that I was very clearly talking about salvation and the effect of the gospel on unbelieving people. Second of all, imprecatory prayer is something that we see in the Psalms — it is not part of my daily prayer life. I think it’s evasive, it’s perhaps even dishonest, to suggest that the reason that we pray imprecatory prayers is in the hope that God will transform our enemies into our friends. I think that’s a nice try. I would point out that the author of the Psalms, King David, was denied the building of the temple because of his violent and contentious nature, probably represented pretty well I would think by a body of work called the Psalms, many of which included imprecatory prayers. I don’t believe that to be the case; I believe instead that we are to love our enemies — we are to love them through our prayers — and we are not counsel people to pray for harm and violence and despair and tragedy to come upon our purported enemies, and then in public decide that it’s a neat thing to say that “It’s because we would like them to become our friends.” I think that’s disingenuous.

Moderator: Okay, Bill, are you still with us?

Bill London: I am.

Moderator: Okay, does that answer your question, Bill?

Bill London: Well, I don’t believe it does. I wanted to follow up by asking Doug, this, the specific wording he uses, is it, “God, please transform their hearts,” or is it something else, like, “If he doesn’t respond go ahead and slay him”? I mean, what exactly are you requesting in your prayers?

Douglas Wilson: What, what we are not doing is a Christian equivalent of a voodoo doll, where you get a little object of your enemy and stick, ummm, the pins in it and say, “God deal, you know.” Well, actually a voodoo doll is where you’re just doing it yourself by an omen. An imprecatory prayer — not omen, a spell — but an imprecatory prayer is when you commit the whole thing to God who knows all things, and because he knows all things you can commit it to him and the, and the pattern that we follow and the pattern that we teach is this: King David, that Keely just referred to, in the Psalms, part of his imprecatory pattern was “Bring them shame of face, so that they might seek your name.” So, the, what we’re simply trying to do is that. Whether Keely might say it’s disingenuous to say that we’re doing that, but I can’t say anything else because that is what we’re doing. When we pray that way, we make a point of beseeching God to transform our enemies into our friends. That’s what we’re doin’.

Bill London: And do you say, “I want you to” — you’re asking God to cause this person to have a car accident, break his leg, lose his wealth, or all the other horrible things that happened to Job? — are you specifically making those kinds of requests?

Douglas Wilson: No.

Bill London: You’re not?

Douglas Wilson: No.

Bill London: Keely, do you think this is a — this kind of statement is accurate, and if so. . . .

Douglas Wilson: [Giggles]


On November 24, 2006, four months after this exchange on the radio, Pastor Douglas Wilson of Christ Church, Moscow, published a “sample” imprecatory prayer on Blog & Mablog. And in his introduction to the prayer, Mr. Wilson admitted, “Over the last few years, the fact that we have prayed this way has been seized on by some of our adversaries as proof-positive that we obviously are crazed fundamentalists” (emphasis added). Imprecatory prayer was a staple of Kirk culture for years.

Nine months after the radio debate, Bill London recalled his question & answer with Mr. Wilson, writing this on the community bulletin board:

Keely, of course, says it all better than I. . . . however, I do have one comment on this issue of imprecatory prayer.
When Keely was debating Doug Wilson recently on KRFP, I called and asked specifically about Doug’s use of imprecatory prayer. He denied that he ever prayed that people would suffer, as Job had suffered.
His denial is very different from the more recent statements on his website quoted here earlier. . . .
I wonder which time he was telling the truth . . . BL

This kind of public deceit is one reason why Doug Wilson’s reputation on the Palouse has suffered over the years. He earned it.


1 One objective of this website is to document each of Mr. Wilson’s controversies in detail, to warn people who may be thinking about moving to Moscow and to give historians a head start.
2 “In the 60s, my father wrote a small but enormously influential book called The Principles of War. In it, he applied the principles of physical warfare to what he called strategic evangelism. This idea of warfare is necessary in order to understand a central part of what is happening here, and by this I mean the concept of the decisive point. A decisive point is one which is simultaneously strategic and feasible. Strategic means that it would be a significant loss to the enemy if taken. Feasible means that it is possible to take. New York City is strategic but not feasible. Bovill is feasible but not strategic. But small towns with major universities (Moscow and Pullman, say) are both.” (“The State of the Church 2003”)

12 Comments

  1. I remember listening to this radio show and cheering Keely on. She is easily as well, if not better, trained in scripture and logical argument than Doug Wilson and amazingly has never wasted even a nano-second attending NSA.
    Thank you so much for posting this. I marvel at what you team has access to and the brilliant way it is presented. It is such a help to us.
    Rose Huskey

  2. I would like to remind the pastors and elders in the CREC that after World War II ended, the Nuremberg trials were held. The decisions made while a wicked man is in power may seem reasonable at the time — you know, keeping your job, your friends, or perhaps even your life by supporting him — do not seem like a good idea when the war is over.

    I’m pretty sure there are high-ranking men in the CREC who are following this website. And some of you have to know by now what kind of man Doug Wilson is: wicked. But if you keep supporting him until his end comes, you won’t have any credibility left when his culture war is over and his perceived enemies are recognized as Christians or decent unbelievers. You might not have much of a future in the next life, either. You will just be known as Doug Wilson’s accomplices, or cowards. So if any of you can read the writing on the wall, now would be the time to act and separate from him.

  3. “In 2003 Wilson published A Serrated Edge, his handbook in carving up the brethren. Since then it has become a bad excuse to justify his reprehensible conduct. In 2003 he also instituted a daily imprecatory prayer meeting at das Kirk, to call down fire on all his enemies. At first Wilson limited the imprecatory prayers to former members of Christ Church and some of the officers at the Evangelical Free Church of Pullman. But now he breathes out threats and slaughter against ‘enemies within the church and without,’ which means anyone who calls him to repentance. In the words of a kirker (who is trying to get out), ‘Imprecatory prayers are his Band-Aid. It’s all he has left.’ There is no mercy at Christ Church.”

    “Let there be no illusion: Christ Church is a cult. It is a cult in the darkest sense of the word. The Lord Jesus Christ has been designated persona non grata. Douglas Wilson is all that matters. And if you take issue with this, he’ll number you with the FOG, which is but a step from being named on the imprecatory prayer list. ‘Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth’ (Ps. 58:6). Makes you want to join them, eh?”

    Both from http://dougsplotch.net/aftermath.htm

  4. Destruction is not the same as transformation, a concept totally missing from the psalm verses in question.

  5. At the community bulletin board page linked in the post above Keely is quoted making an awfully good point about Doug’s strange emphases.

    Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 1:46 PM
    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fantasy vs. Reality Fourth Installment

    Doug, why is it so important to you and yours to defend — and to do so pretty badly — your duty to pray imprecatorily against others?

    I don’t think I’ve ever read anything from you about the Christian’s duty to advocate for and serve the poor. You’re remarkably silent on Christians and their participation in and benefit from unjust systems of racism, classism, and sexism. You are downright reticent when it comes to the call to preach the Gospel and you’re virtually silent when it comes to denial of self and submitting yourself to those around you in humility and peace. Nope, you seem consumed with a gospel that, in your hands, has as its hallmark belligerence and mockery. You’re sharp as a tack on what most Christians would call matters of either little consequence or great potential for unnecessary division. I’ve never heard of anyone whose idea of proclaiming Christ and his message was to badger people about their baptisms, insist on vindictive and vicious prayer prerogatives, wax eloquent about mandatory Psalm singing, crow about his virility and potency, and generally make a mess of anything that even remotely points to a Gospel of reconciliation.

    So, again — why is imprecatory prayer so critical to your worldview? In your many years as a disciple of Jesus Christ, is this the nugget of wisdom you’ve come away with? I cannot imagine anyone defending a disciple’s imperative of imprecatory prayer, period, but to do so with the energy and passion you show is beyond perplexing.

    It says infinitely more about you than it does about Jesus . . .

    keely

    1. Keely, that was a great post. You hit the nail right on the head.

      And here’s another question: in all of Doug’s 30 or so years in Moscow of “preaching the gospel,” how many people in Moscow (not counting those who were born into his church) have become Christians under Doug’s ministry? Is there even one such person? I lived in Moscow at one time and did not know of any. The Bible says it is God’s kindness that leads us to repentance. How can an unkind — or downright hateful — pastor lead anyone to Christ?

    2. @Frank — He has no gospel for Moscow. Or anywhere else for that matter. He cannot evangelize because he has demonstrated he does not understand the gospel. But he can recruit, which is what he does. He recruits people to move to Moscow to join the Kirk. He does this by presenting it as a community that is sold-out committed to biblical truth, which requires hiding people like Steven Sitler & Jamin Wight from the narrative. And he does it by presenting himself as a minister who is sold-out committed to biblical truth, which requires hiding his letters to the civil magistrate on behalf of his Kirk-bred felons from view.

      He needs immigrants to Moscow like a cancerous tumor needs blood, and without them he will shrivel up. So as I continuously say, if you’re thinking about moving to Moscow, it behooves you to give it a second thought. Don’t feed the tumor.

    3. Frank said: “The Bible says it is God’s kindness that leads us to repentance. How can an unkind– or downright hateful– pastor lead anyone to Christ?”

      You ask a good question, Frank. But Doug wants to lead people to Doug. And they (or at least some of them) are groomed to be his apostles of spite.

  6. I’ve gone off on this before, but “Pastor” Wilson could not care less about the greater community of Moscow. He views my hometown, and the home of my family since 1883, as merely a convenient location to recruit people to in his quest (which will be an epic fail) to convert Moscow to, in essence, Wilsonville. He doesn’t see the wonderful town of Moscow through the same prism as the townspeople who, if they are not of his flock, he dismisses out of hand. I probably sound like a stuck record in writing about this, but it’s deeply personal and deeply offensive to me.

    1. @CNW I just try to imagine Doug trying to pull the same crap here where I live and the thought infuriates me. And I’m not nearly as invested here as you are there. So, believe me, I don’t blame you a bit.

  7. What I find fascinating in the audio clip is how hard Doug is obviously working to make anything he believes come across as reasonable or sane.

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