The Kirk Challenge

An anonymous kirker challenged my comment: “not sure if they disclose it [Wilson’s salary] and if they do disclose it, not sure how anyone could access the books.”

Here’s my challenge to this and other kirkers: Ask an elder when an outside third party (which means a professional accountant not associated with the Kirk) audited the books. He’ll answer, “I’ll check with Doug and get back to you.” Make sure you ask for a copy of the audit and also ask to see the books. All members have the legal right to see the books. Good luck exercising that right. Then we’ll gladly post your anonymous comment, as long as you prove that you did these things by producing actual documentation, which means we will never post your comment because he will never show you an audit or give you access to the books.

The Kirk is his business and you’re his guest — but not for long if you ask the wrong questions.

Dare

6 Comments

  1. All members have the legal right to see the books. Good luck exercising that right.

    I am 100 percent for open books in a church – one of the biggest reasons that will keep me from attending (much less joining) a church, even “solid, Bible believing” ones, is if that body hides its finances and/or pastors’ salaries.

    That being said, the quoted statement may not be factually accurate, though it should be in spirit. If the Kirk was set up as a non-profit that does not have members, then the congregants may have no legal right to view corporate documents (other than ones that are publicly available).

  3. We get a full financial disclosure once a year, with all salaries listed in detail, and opportunity to ask questions of pastors or accountant.

    I might be willing to show you a photo of the handout, but chance are I would first blur the numbers since I’m not sure if those are public or just for congregants. Try asking the church office if they’re public – might be.

    1. Did you graduate from Logos or NSA? I specified “a professional accountant not associated with the Kirk,” not “opportunity to ask questions of pastors or accountant.” I specified this because Wilson would never allow a third party to audit him (he loves his money). I also wrote, “Make sure you ask for a copy of the audit and also ask to see the books” because even if they did exist he would never let you see them.

      PS: I waived our “Kirkers must use their full names” policy this time. No promises for next time.

    1. Because your pastor prohibits anonymous testimony (except when he does it; rules don’t apply to him).
      Didn’t you read A Justice Primer?
      Last chance.

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